Comments on: Bidvertiser Dishonest - Hiding Cloaked Links and Cheating Publishers http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/ A discussion of earning with Affiliate Programs, SEO Wordpress Blogging and General Motivational Ideas for Internet Publishers Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:58:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Andy Beard http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-5436 Andy Beard Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:58:08 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-5436 You need to be careful on sending trackbacks to blogs when you don't include a link to the post. I picked it up manually in Spam Karma, but if I happened not to pull it out of the sin bin, the penalties can snowball to an extent that further links or trackbacks will be beyond default thresholds and become invisible from normal moderation. -8.75: Trackback Source Site (http://www.affiliatebestpro​grams.com/2008/01/21/bidvertiser​-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-​and-cheating-publishers/)​ does not contain Blog URL domain (andybeard.eu). As to Bidvertiser, I think the highest success people have with them is on sites which you don't want to use other forms of advertising. I actually ran them for a little while as a test, and impression counts weren't too far off - click rate was terrible. The noscript trick is used by loads of sites - it isn't blackhat, just smart, as such links could be looked on as good for usability - it becomes more naughty where the link isn't related to the owner of the widget or advert, or when you are not allowed to remove the link. I know that Bidvertiser are using it to dominate search results, but they are certainly not the first - you have a link to wordpress, if you install akismet along with the spam counter widget, you would have a link to akismet as well - add a technorati authority badge, you have a link to Technorati that is modified with javascript and css to display as an image.. but it is actually a text link. Then you have all the form buttons for adding a feed - those can pass juice You need to be careful on sending trackbacks to blogs when you don’t include a link to the post. I picked it up manually in Spam Karma, but if I happened not to pull it out of the sin bin, the penalties can snowball to an extent that further links or trackbacks will be beyond default thresholds and become invisible from normal moderation.

-8.75: Trackback Source Site (http://www.affiliatebestpro​grams.com/2008/01/21/bidvertiser​-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-​and-cheating-publishers/)​ does not contain Blog URL domain (andybeard.eu).

As to Bidvertiser, I think the highest success people have with them is on sites which you don’t want to use other forms of advertising. I actually ran them for a little while as a test, and impression counts weren’t too far off - click rate was terrible.

The noscript trick is used by loads of sites - it isn’t blackhat, just smart, as such links could be looked on as good for usability - it becomes more naughty where the link isn’t related to the owner of the widget or advert, or when you are not allowed to remove the link.

I know that Bidvertiser are using it to dominate search results, but they are certainly not the first - you have a link to wordpress, if you install akismet along with the spam counter widget, you would have a link to akismet as well - add a technorati authority badge, you have a link to Technorati that is modified with javascript and css to display as an image.. but it is actually a text link.

Then you have all the form buttons for adding a feed - those can pass juice

]]> By: Pieru http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-5441 Pieru Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:02:37 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-5441 I'm having similar problem with Bidvertiser . I only choose approved clicks of specific value and get only few pennies per click. I’m having similar problem with Bidvertiser . I only choose approved clicks of specific value and get only few pennies per click.

]]> By: Dave http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-5444 Dave Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:40:02 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-5444 Hi Andy, I have your site on my blogroll and I was testing an experimental plugin created by a friend that goes through your blogroll to find *friends* with similar posts and pings them. I've just removed it because it was going haywire. As far as Bidvertiser and the cloaked links in the noscript, isn't it just a poor business practice to essentially hide a anchor text targeted link on a publishers site ? I proudly link to Wordpress because they are providing me with free sorftware, therefor they deserve the link. I also link to Technorati because they provide me with traffic. However, when I use CJ (Commission Junction) ads I always add a nofollow and a target=_blank to the links. I do the same with almost all CPA and CPM ads if they are not coded in JavaScript. With Bidvertiser, I carelessly assumed because it was in Javascript, the noscript would not be counted as a backlink. I wonder what Google and Matt Cutts position is on this (not that I really care) but if their "spam fighting" team can detect PayPerPost bloggers and dofollow blogs, you'd thing the geniuses at the 'plex would have devalued links in noscript text? Hi Andy, I have your site on my blogroll and I was testing an experimental plugin created by a friend that goes through your blogroll to find *friends* with similar posts and pings them. I’ve just removed it because it was going haywire.

As far as Bidvertiser and the cloaked links in the noscript, isn’t it just a poor business practice to essentially hide a anchor text targeted link on a publishers site ? I proudly link to Wordpress because they are providing me with free sorftware, therefor they deserve the link. I also link to Technorati because they provide me with traffic. However, when I use CJ (Commission Junction) ads I always add a nofollow and a target=_blank to the links. I do the same with almost all CPA and CPM ads if they are not coded in JavaScript. With Bidvertiser, I carelessly assumed because it was in Javascript, the noscript would not be counted as a backlink.

I wonder what Google and Matt Cutts position is on this (not that I really care) but if their “spam fighting” team can detect PayPerPost bloggers and dofollow blogs, you’d thing the geniuses at the ‘plex would have devalued links in noscript text?

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]]> By: andrej http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-6336 andrej Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:14:04 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-6336 Thanks for the heads up. Thanks for the heads up.

]]> By: GlobalBuzz http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-6437 GlobalBuzz Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:06:54 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-6437 This is quite despicable and I have of recent become quite sickened at sub-standard services of the various affiliates out there, be they ppc or eCPM of CPA or whatever, they all become a little more sleazy in their manner within 3 months. You mention 'dofollow' blogs are you saying they are hitting hard on dofollow or maybe the amount of links advertised in your right column. I do believe it may be the latter This is quite despicable and I have of recent become quite sickened at sub-standard services of the various affiliates out there, be they ppc or eCPM of CPA or whatever, they all become a little more sleazy in their manner within 3 months.

You mention ‘dofollow’ blogs are you saying they are hitting hard on dofollow or maybe the amount of links advertised in your right column.

I do believe it may be the latter

]]> By: Dave http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-6446 Dave Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:50:10 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-6446 As far as I know, dofollow blogs are not being penalized. As far as any advertising links on your blogs sidebar, just apply a nofollow tag to them and you should be fine. As far as I know, dofollow blogs are not being penalized. As far as any advertising links on your blogs sidebar, just apply a nofollow tag to them and you should be fine.

]]> By: David Methew http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-7173 David Methew Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:43:46 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-7173 What ever you say folks, I got my 1500 USD this month by using BidVertiser 7th Click Wonder. Open my site.... click on BidVerTiser Advertisemnt, after 7 clicks you will see a furniture company add worth of 17CPC, go ahead What ever you say folks, I got my 1500 USD this month by using BidVertiser 7th Click Wonder. Open my site…. click on BidVerTiser Advertisemnt, after 7 clicks you will see a furniture company add worth of 17CPC, go ahead

]]> By: HiHalo http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-7272 HiHalo Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:17:55 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-7272 Hello, been looking for posts about adwords pricing and other options for CPC campaigns. I found your blog post about Bidvertiser being dishonest - Are they safe to use for CPC campaign? Hello, been looking for posts about adwords pricing and other options for CPC campaigns. I found your blog post about Bidvertiser being dishonest - Are they safe to use for CPC campaign?

]]> By: Daniel http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-11653 Daniel Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:30:11 +0000 http://www.affiliatebestprograms.com/bidvertiser-dishonest-hiding-cloaked-links-and-cheating-publishers/#comment-11653 I read similar article also named iser Dishonest - Hiding Cloaked Links and Cheating Publishers, and it was completely different. Personally, I agree with you more, because this article makes a little bit more sense for me I read similar article also named iser Dishonest - Hiding Cloaked Links and Cheating Publishers, and it was completely different. Personally, I agree with you more, because this article makes a little bit more sense for me

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